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18 years 8 months ago #14250 by DeirdreKelleghan
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News Release: 2005-123 July 28, 2005



Spitzer Finds Life Components in Young Universe


NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has found the ingredients for life all the way back to a time
when the universe was a mere youngste

Using Spitzer, scientists have detected organic molecules in galaxies when our universe was one-
fourth of its current age of about 14 billion years. These large molecules, known as polycyclic
aromatic hydrocarbons, are comprised of carbon and hydrogen. The molecules are considered to
be among the building blocks of life.



These complex molecules are very common on Earth. They form any time carbon-based
materials are not burned completely. They can be found in sooty exhaust from cars and airplanes,
and in charcoal broiled hamburgers and burnt toast.

The molecules, pervasive in galaxies like our own Milky Way, play a significant role in star and
planet formation. Spitzer is the first telescope to see these molecules so far back in time.


“This is 10 billion years further back in time than we’ve seen them before,” said Dr. Lin Yan of
the Spitzer Science Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, Calif. Yan is
lead author of a study to be published in the August 10 issue of the Astrophysical Journal.
Previous missions -- the Infrared Astronomical Satellite and the Infrared Space Observatory --
detected these types of galaxies and molecules much closer to our own Milky Way galaxy.
Spitzer's sensitivity is 100 times greater than these previous infrared telescope missions, enabling
direct detection of organics so far away.

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18 years 8 months ago #14289 by ftodonoghue
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Very interesting...

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18 years 8 months ago #14297 by Bill_H
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This is where my head goes into serious melt-down! Here we are, having some serious difficulties trying to find other planets within our solar system. not only that, we are actually having problems trying to decide if they are planets or not, then we have the added problem of not even knowing the definition of "planet". Now we have scientists telling us they have found the molecules of life from about 40 million years ago! Arguments persist about the possibility of life on Mars either now or in the past and still no one can tell us, but they have no problem telling us about the "building blocks" from such a long time ago. Am I missing something? what's the problem?
The more documentaries I watch on the space sciences the more I am disheartened and confused. Flashes from space were theorised as being from within the Galaxy, until one Astro-scientist came up with the theory that they came from much further away, he was rediculed. The reason being it would destroy Einsteins theory of relativity! But, after considerable investigation, they decided he must be right.
How long before someone changes this theory of the molecules? How do they mannage to spot and isolate these molecules from what must be an ocean of infra-red material out there?
My purpose is not to doubt, but to understand how they can do this, yet fail so dismally in the present and close to home with what, to a layman like me, should be more obvious.
Help!
Bill H.

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18 years 8 months ago #14306 by DeirdreKelleghan
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Yes Bill melt down, like the 78% dark matter that makes up most of the universe and was overlooked untill recently!Or was that dark energy?

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18 years 8 months ago #14313 by dmcdona
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Bill - I guess (an it is a guess) that the instrumentation used to detect and identify these 'molecules' was sensitive enough to do so and that the position of the signature of the molecules in the spectrum was such that they were not swamped by other 'stuff'.

Looking for planets and other objects on the solar system relies on two things - the object reflects a decent amount of light and it moves against the background stars.

Given that even the latest discovery of an object in the solar system is only mag 18 or 19 or so, they're difficult to spot without large light-gathering power - assuming you're pointing in the right direction.

Also, I can imagine the answer if I asked the Spitzer project Manager to just point the instrument to the Kuiper Belt for a a few days so I could search for KBO's. Presumably, off would be somewhere in his/her reply. Likewise Hubble, Keck, Gemini, etc, etc.

Dunno if that helps cools your head a bit?

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18 years 8 months ago #14316 by Bill_H
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Presuming that finding life, or signs of past life, would be more relevent, or at least as relevant, in the solar system, why isn't the technology available to do this? So, I'm afraid melt down is still progressing at a fast rate. I understand that the technology is sensitive enough to do it, and can, but why? would we not be better exploring the Solar System with adequate technology, then moving on to deep space with that new found wealth of knowledge? It strikes me as buying a book and reading the last chapter only, then claiming we know all there is to know! Gee whizz! we can't even decide yet if what is in the solar system is a planet or not, yet we want go saying this is this, and that is that 40 million years ago.

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