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Whats an amateur astronomer?

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18 years 10 months ago #28248 by JohnMurphy
Replied by JohnMurphy on topic Re: Whats an amateur astronomer?
Jared,

I agree with you. All professions have a percentage of "qualified" people who just should not be in the job.

Going by some of the threads on this board I would take issue with that particular statement.


Ain't that the truth, however at the end of the day no-one has anything to lose by speaking his opinions on these boards. (On the contrary sometimes it is easier to gain - a red face :oops: , or a cringe of embarrasment :? maybe).
Clear Skies,
John Murphy
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18 years 10 months ago #28358 by DeirdreKelleghan
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Well now a good friend of mine who happens to be an exceptional astronomer, sent me this definition of the word amateur ..................

Amateur = Stems from the French form of the Latin root of the word meaning a "lover of ". In this sense, retaining its French inflexion (am-a - terr) , an amateur may be as competent as a paid professional, yet is motivated by a love or passion for the activity, like a connoisseur. In the 17th and 18th centuries virtuoso had similar connotations of passionate involvement.

I found her explaination of amateur inspiring when spliced with astronomy I hope you do also.

Deirdre Kelleghan
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18 years 10 months ago #28359 by JohnMurphy
Replied by JohnMurphy on topic Re: Whats an amateur astronomer?
Deirdre,

That sound like the best definition to me. A professional Astronomer if he loves it is also an amateur.
A professional amateur then is someone who gets paid for doing what they love.
Clear Skies,
John Murphy
Irish Astronomical Society
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  • SELECT m.*,t.message FROM `tifas_kunena_messages` AS `m` INNER JOIN `tifas_kunena_messages_text` AS `t` ON `m`.`id` = `t`.`mesid` WHERE `m`.`id` = 27917135μs2.53KB/libraries/kunena/src/Tables/TableKunenaMessages.php:216Copy
  • SELECT COUNT(*) FROM `tifas_kunena_messages` AS `a` WHERE `thread` = '27917' AND `a`.`hold` IN (0)187μs536B/libraries/kunena/src/Database/Object/KunenaFinder.php:278Copy
  • SELECT a.id FROM `tifas_kunena_messages` AS `a` WHERE `thread` = '27917' AND `a`.`hold` IN (0) ORDER BY a.`time` ASC LIMIT 24, 6173μs568B/libraries/kunena/src/Database/Object/KunenaFinder.php:234Copy
  • SELECT m.*, t.message FROM `tifas_kunena_messages` AS `m` INNER JOIN `tifas_kunena_messages_text` AS `t` ON m.id = t.mesid WHERE `m`.`id` IN (28248,28358,28359)859μs2.56KB/libraries/kunena/src/Forum/Message/KunenaMessageHelper.php:120Copy
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  • SELECT u.name, u.username, u.email, u.block AS blocked, u.registerDate, u.lastvisitDate, ku.*, u.id AS userid FROM `tifas_users` AS `u` LEFT JOIN `tifas_kunena_users` AS `ku` ON `u`.`id` = `ku`.`userid` WHERE `u`.`id` IN (680,277)249μs25.02KB/libraries/kunena/src/User/KunenaUserHelper.php:247Copy
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  • SELECT * FROM `tifas_kunena_user_topics` WHERE (`user_id` = '0') AND (`topic_id` IN (27917))88μs1.27KB/libraries/kunena/src/Forum/Topic/User/KunenaTopicUserHelper.php:159Copy
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  • SELECT u.name, u.username, u.email, u.block as blocked, u.registerDate, u.lastvisitDate, ku.* FROM `tifas_users` AS `u` LEFT JOIN `tifas_kunena_users` AS `ku` ON `u`.`id` = `ku`.`userid` WHERE `u`.`id` = '338'217μs24.97KB/libraries/kunena/src/Tables/KunenaUsers.php:575Copy
  • SELECT `code`,`location` FROM `tifas_kunena_smileys`74μs960B/libraries/kunena/src/BBCode/KunenaBBCode.php:1122Copy
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  • SELECT m.id, mm.hold, m.catid AS category_id, m.thread AS topic_id, SUM(mm.time<m.time) AS before_count, SUM(mm.time>m.time) AS after_count FROM `tifas_kunena_messages` AS `m` INNER JOIN `tifas_kunena_messages` AS `mm` ON `m`.`thread` = `mm`.`thread` WHERE `m`.`id` IN (28248) GROUP BY `m`.`id`,`mm`.`hold`310μs832B/libraries/kunena/src/Forum/Message/KunenaMessageHelper.php:539Copy
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  • SELECT m.id, mm.hold, m.catid AS category_id, m.thread AS topic_id, SUM(mm.time<m.time) AS before_count, SUM(mm.time>m.time) AS after_count FROM `tifas_kunena_messages` AS `m` INNER JOIN `tifas_kunena_messages` AS `mm` ON `m`.`thread` = `mm`.`thread` WHERE `m`.`id` IN (28358) GROUP BY `m`.`id`,`mm`.`hold`199μs832B/libraries/kunena/src/Forum/Message/KunenaMessageHelper.php:539Copy
  • SELECT * FROM `tifas_kunena_attachments` WHERE `mesid` IN (28359)96μs1.45KB/libraries/kunena/src/Attachment/KunenaAttachmentHelper.php:234Copy
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  • SELECT DISTINCT a.id, a.title, a.name, a.checked_out, a.checked_out_time, a.note, a.state, a.access, a.created_time, a.created_user_id, a.ordering, a.language, a.fieldparams, a.params, a.type, a.default_value, a.context, a.group_id, a.label, a.description, a.required, a.only_use_in_subform,l.title AS language_title, l.image AS language_image,uc.name AS editor,ag.title AS access_level,ua.name AS author_name,g.title AS group_title, g.access as group_access, g.state AS group_state, g.note as group_note FROM tifas_fields AS a LEFT JOIN `tifas_languages` AS l ON l.lang_code = a.language LEFT JOIN tifas_users AS uc ON uc.id=a.checked_out LEFT JOIN tifas_viewlevels AS ag ON ag.id = a.access LEFT JOIN tifas_users AS ua ON ua.id = a.created_user_id LEFT JOIN tifas_fields_groups AS g ON g.id = a.group_id WHERE ( (`a`.`context` = :context AND `a`.`access` IN (:preparedArray1)) AND (`a`.`group_id` = 0 OR `g`.`access` IN (:preparedArray2)) AND `a`.`state` = :state) AND (`a`.`group_id` = 0 OR `g`.`state` = :gstate) AND `a`.`only_use_in_subform` = :only_use_in_subform ORDER BY a.ordering ASC743μs4.03KBParams/libraries/src/MVC/Model/BaseDatabaseModel.php:166Copy
  • SELECT * FROM `tifas_kunena_announcement` WHERE `published` = 1 AND (`publish_up` = '1000-01-01 00:00:00' OR `publish_up` <= '2025-04-15 14:38:37') AND (`publish_down` ='1000-01-01 00:00:00' OR `publish_down` >= '2025-04-15 14:38:37') ORDER BY `id` DESC LIMIT 1119μs1.42KB/libraries/kunena/src/Forum/Announcement/KunenaAnnouncementHelper.php:145Copy
  • SELECT `params` FROM `tifas_comprofiler_plugin` WHERE `id` = 1282μs536BCopy
  • SELECT *, CONCAT_WS( "/", `folder`, `element` ) AS lookup FROM `tifas_comprofiler_plugin` WHERE `published` = 1 AND `viewaccesslevel` IN (1) AND `type` = 'user' ORDER BY `ordering`195μs17.73KBCopy
  • SHOW FULL COLUMNS FROM `tifas_users`386μs1.58KB/libraries/vendor/joomla/database/src/Mysqli/MysqliDriver.php:625Copy
  • SELECT f.* FROM tifas_comprofiler_fields f INNER JOIN tifas_comprofiler_tabs AS t ON (f.tabid = t.tabid) WHERE f.published = 1 ORDER BY t.position, t.ordering, f.ordering770μs3.61KBCopy
  • SELECT `id` FROM `tifas_menu` WHERE ( `link` = 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&view=userprofile' OR `link` = 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userprofile' OR `link` = 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler' ) AND `published` = 1 AND `access` IN ( 1 ) AND `language` IN ( 'en-GB', '*', '' ) AND `client_id` = 0213μs536BCopy
  • SELECT `id` FROM `tifas_menu` WHERE ( `link` LIKE 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&view=pluginclass&plugin=cbconnect%' OR `link` LIKE 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=pluginclass&plugin=cbconnect%' ) AND `published` = 1 AND `access` IN ( 1 ) AND `language` IN ( 'en-GB', '*', '' ) AND `client_id` = 0262μs520BCopy
  • SELECT *, CONCAT_WS( "/", `folder`, `element` ) AS lookup FROM `tifas_comprofiler_plugin` WHERE `published` = 1 AND `viewaccesslevel` IN (1) ORDER BY `ordering`368μs17.77KBCopy
  • SELECT `id` FROM `tifas_menu` WHERE ( `link` LIKE 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&view=login%' OR `link` LIKE 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=login%' ) AND `published` = 1 AND `access` IN ( 1 ) AND `language` IN ( 'en-GB', '*', '' ) AND `client_id` = 0223μs536BCopy
  • SELECT `id` FROM `tifas_menu` WHERE ( `link` LIKE 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&view=lostpassword%' OR `link` LIKE 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=lostpassword%' ) AND `published` = 1 AND `access` IN ( 1 ) AND `language` IN ( 'en-GB', '*', '' ) AND `client_id` = 0186μs536BCopy
  • SELECT `id` FROM `tifas_menu` WHERE ( `link` LIKE 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&view=registers%' OR `link` LIKE 'index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=registers%' ) AND `published` = 1 AND `access` IN ( 1 ) AND `language` IN ( 'en-GB', '*', '' ) AND `client_id` = 0186μs536BCopy
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  • SELECT `c`.`id`,`c`.`asset_id`,`c`.`access`,`c`.`alias`,`c`.`checked_out`,`c`.`checked_out_time`,`c`.`created_time`,`c`.`created_user_id`,`c`.`description`,`c`.`extension`,`c`.`hits`,`c`.`language`,`c`.`level`,`c`.`lft`,`c`.`metadata`,`c`.`metadesc`,`c`.`metakey`,`c`.`modified_time`,`c`.`note`,`c`.`params`,`c`.`parent_id`,`c`.`path`,`c`.`published`,`c`.`rgt`,`c`.`title`,`c`.`modified_user_id`,`c`.`version`, CASE WHEN CHAR_LENGTH(`c`.`alias`) != 0 THEN CONCAT_WS(':', `c`.`id`, `c`.`alias`) ELSE `c`.`id` END as `slug` FROM `tifas_categories` AS `c` WHERE (`c`.`extension` = :extension OR `c`.`extension` = 'system') AND `c`.`access` IN (:preparedArray1) AND `c`.`published` = 1 ORDER BY `c`.`lft`248μs3.91KBParams/libraries/src/Categories/Categories.php:375Copy
  • SELECT c.id FROM tifas_categories AS c WHERE c.access IN (1) AND c.published = 1 AND c.language in ('en-GB','*') AND c.extension = 'com_jevents' ORDER BY c.lft asc164μs584B/components/com_jevents/libraries/dbmodel.php:558Copy
  • SELECT c.id FROM tifas_categories AS c WHERE c.access IN (1) AND c.published = 1 AND c.language in ('en-GB','*') AND c.extension = 'com_jevents' AND ((c.lft>=87 AND c.rgt<=88 )) ORDER BY c.lft asc163μs536B/components/com_jevents/libraries/dbmodel.php:558Copy
  • SELECT ev.ev_id FROM tifas_jevents_repetition as rpt INNER JOIN tifas_jevents_vevent as ev ON rpt.eventid = ev.ev_id INNER JOIN tifas_jevents_icsfile as icsf ON icsf.ics_id=ev.icsid INNER JOIN tifas_jevents_vevdetail as det ON det.evdet_id = rpt.eventdetail_id LEFT JOIN tifas_jevents_rrule as rr ON rr.eventid = rpt.eventid WHERE ev.catid IN(-1,68) AND ev.created >= '2024-10-17 00:00:00' AND ev.created <= '2025-10-12 23:59:59' AND ev.state=1 AND ev.access IN (1) AND icsf.state=1 AND icsf.access IN (1) GROUP BY ev.ev_id ORDER BY ev.created DESC LIMIT 10713μs520B/components/com_jevents/libraries/dbmodel.php:272Copy
  • SELECT rpt.*, ev.*, rr.*, det.*, ev.state as published, ev.created as created , YEAR(rpt.startrepeat) as yup, MONTH(rpt.startrepeat ) as mup, DAYOFMONTH(rpt.startrepeat ) as dup , YEAR(rpt.endrepeat ) as ydn, MONTH(rpt.endrepeat ) as mdn, DAYOFMONTH(rpt.endrepeat ) as ddn , HOUR(rpt.startrepeat) as hup, MINUTE(rpt.startrepeat ) as minup, SECOND(rpt.startrepeat ) as sup , HOUR(rpt.endrepeat ) as hdn, MINUTE(rpt.endrepeat ) as mindn, SECOND(rpt.endrepeat ) as sdn FROM tifas_jevents_repetition as rpt INNER JOIN tifas_jevents_vevent as ev ON rpt.eventid = ev.ev_id INNER JOIN tifas_jevents_icsfile as icsf ON icsf.ics_id=ev.icsid INNER JOIN tifas_jevents_vevdetail as det ON det.evdet_id = rpt.eventdetail_id LEFT JOIN tifas_jevents_rrule as rr ON rr.eventid = rpt.eventid WHERE ev.catid IN(-1,68) AND ev.created >= '2024-10-17 00:00:00' AND ev.created <= '2025-10-12 23:59:59' AND ev.state=1 AND ev.access IN (1) AND icsf.state=1 AND icsf.access IN (1) AND ev.ev_id IN (0) ORDER BY ev.created DESC , rpt.startrepeat ASC333μs10.33KB/components/com_jevents/libraries/dbmodel.php:3300Copy
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  • SELECT * FROM `tifas_banners` WHERE (`reset` <= :date AND `reset` IS NOT NULL) AND (`checked_out` IS NULL OR `checked_out` = :userId)190μs5.39KBParams/administrator/components/com_banners/src/Helper/BannersHelper.php:69Copy
  • SELECT `a`.`id`,`a`.`type`,`a`.`name`,`a`.`clickurl`,`a`.`sticky`,`a`.`cid`,`a`.`description`,`a`.`params`,`a`.`custombannercode`,`a`.`track_impressions`,`cl`.`track_impressions` AS `client_track_impressions` FROM `tifas_banners` AS `a` LEFT JOIN `tifas_banner_clients` AS `cl` ON `cl`.`id` = `a`.`cid` WHERE ( ( (`a`.`state` = 1) AND (`a`.`publish_up` IS NULL OR `a`.`publish_up` <= :nowDate1)) AND (`a`.`publish_down` IS NULL OR `a`.`publish_down` >= :nowDate2)) AND (`a`.`imptotal` = 0 OR `a`.`impmade` < `a`.`imptotal`) AND `a`.`catid` IN (:preparedArray1) ORDER BY `a`.`sticky` DESC, RAND() LIMIT 1438μs2.28KBParams/libraries/src/MVC/Model/BaseDatabaseModel.php:166Copy
  • UPDATE `tifas_banners` SET `impmade` = `impmade` + 1 WHERE `id` IN (:preparedArray1)550μs856BParams/components/com_banners/src/Model/BannersModel.php:315Copy
  • UPDATE `tifas_banner_tracks` SET `count` = `count` + 1 WHERE `track_type` = 1 AND `banner_id` = :id AND `track_date` = :trackDate466μs832BParams/components/com_banners/src/Model/BannersModel.php:352Copy
  • SELECT `a`.`id`,`a`.`asset_id`,`a`.`title`,`a`.`type`,`a`.`execution_rules`,`a`.`state`,`a`.`last_exit_code`,`a`.`locked`,`a`.`last_execution`,`a`.`next_execution`,`a`.`times_executed`,`a`.`times_failed`,`a`.`priority`,`a`.`ordering`,`a`.`note`,`a`.`checked_out`,`a`.`checked_out_time`,`uc`.`name` AS `editor` FROM `tifas_scheduler_tasks` AS `a` LEFT JOIN `tifas_users` AS `uc` ON `uc`.`id` = `a`.`checked_out` WHERE `a`.`state` = :state AND `a`.`next_execution` <= :now ORDER BY `a`.`title` asc203μs3.16KBParams/administrator/components/com_scheduler/src/Model/TasksModel.php:391Copy
  • SELECT `a`.`id`,`a`.`asset_id`,`a`.`title`,`a`.`type`,`a`.`execution_rules`,`a`.`state`,`a`.`last_exit_code`,`a`.`locked`,`a`.`last_execution`,`a`.`next_execution`,`a`.`times_executed`,`a`.`times_failed`,`a`.`priority`,`a`.`ordering`,`a`.`note`,`a`.`checked_out`,`a`.`checked_out_time`,`uc`.`name` AS `editor` FROM `tifas_scheduler_tasks` AS `a` LEFT JOIN `tifas_users` AS `uc` ON `uc`.`id` = `a`.`checked_out` WHERE `a`.`state` = :state AND `a`.`locked` IS NOT NULL ORDER BY `a`.`title` asc177μs3.18KBParams/administrator/components/com_scheduler/src/Model/TasksModel.php:391Copy
  • SHOW TABLES730μs8.51KB/libraries/vendor/joomla/database/src/Mysqli/MysqliDriver.php:678Copy