Ashen Lights = other life on Venus, NOT as we know it

Venus; ashen light as a faint glow occasionally observed on the dark side of Venus, was first reported by Riccioli in 1643.

Ever since then (360 years and counting), it seems as though nearly all natural forms of such illumination have been ruled out, at least for the past 360 years and counting there's not been a viable alternative to those illuminations being other than artificially generated.

Venus 'Ashen Light' seen! by; Dave Lillis
"I'm really starting to doubt myself here,!!!!
What I saw DID look like it had a very dark purple hue to it !!!!
The time I saw it was at 22.20, the sky was fairly dark at that stage., I have images of the planet at this stage through my 12" using the webcam, and I noticed no trace at the time of any illumination to hint at ashen lights, but then again I wasnt looking for it as I convinced myself that it was an "eye" illusion."

That reported "very dark purple hue" is perhaps within the 425 nm spectrum that's best suited at taking advantage of the opacity of them acidic clouds, and that's a fact. At least of anything below 450 nm isn't all that much in competition with earthshine.

Utilizing a band-pass filter of 400~450 nm should offer the most bang for the buck/euro, although a more specific filter should only improve upon those observations, and of a recording whatever might be encoded within that spectrum of photons might be even a little more interesting, to say the least.

However folks, expecting any of these pretentious (NASA moderated) astronomy types to place their warm and fuzzy stamp of approval upon the notion that Venus could be harboring other life NOT as we know it, apparently this isn't an option, though of their having humanity wasting more decades and trillions of dollars is oddly worth every penny, especially if those pennies are going into their institution or better yet into their own pocket, meanwhile the polluting of mother Earth and of the pillaging for extracting energy resources to a fairlywell, along with all of the collateral carnage, is just fine and dandy.

God forbid that we should consider upon the obvious prospects or perhaps fact of the matter that Venus isn't quite so darn hot and nasty, nor insisting that of sufficiently smart folks couldn't have managed to have coexisted in spite of our arrogance, greed and utter stupidity.

Ashen lights of Venus have been simply too well noticed, and of various radio astronomy and by way of numerous other instruments (other than photon detections) have not established upon any other natural source for their existence. That's sort of physics duh-101 for those illuminations being of pure photons which thereby obviously had to be created from the surface or perhaps from aboard some high flying rigid airship cruising quite safely and calm just below those nasty clouds.

The rigid airship notion as for providing a suitable platform by which to operate at perhaps 25+km shouldn't be ruled out. Even the notion of such rigid airships being capable of their cruising above them relatively cool nighttime clouds isn't outside the box of accepted physics-101.

BTW; I have another page or two to offer, but I do need and would appreciate your input:
guthvenus.tripod.com/illumination-spots-02.htm
guthvenus.tripod.com/earthshine-moonshine.htm
guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-hot-spots.htm

Sorry if some of you're devout pro-NASA or more unfortunately a pro-Apollo sport, much like I was as prior to more than three years ago, thoroughly snookered to the hilt and all, and then some.

In order to help demonstrate that this Venus "ashen light" could have been artificially produced, I've run off some preliminary numbers that shouldn't surprise you, unless you're as snookered and thereby as dumbfounded as most Americans, especially of those of our pro-Apollo or bust cult, and I'm certain that your math is even better than mine, as well as for uncovering the capable candela capability of xenon/mercury lighting cannons that'll more than accommodate the task at hand.

If we'd started out with using a 500 meter diameter of illumination source, and if that source were initially focused to 1°, this is what we should expect such technology application to obtain as for transmitting into and subsequently getting photons through those clouds.

Illumination source elevation: 5 km
Illumination source diameter: 500 meters
Raw illumination divergence: 1°
Cloud bottom elevation at roughly: 50 km
Cloud density/thickness: 20 km
Illuminated zone/diameter upon cloud bottom: 1.286 km

Illuminated zone/diameter upon cloud tops:
At zero further divergence: 1.635 km
At +/- 45° divergence: 11.63 km
At +/- 60° divergence: 18.93 km
At +/- 75° divergence: 38.73 km
At +/- 80° divergence: 57.59 km
At +/- 85° divergence: 110.348 km
At +/- 90° divergence: 498.980 km

Now then, this is where physics-101 or perhaps duh-101 comes into account, in that I'd previously estimated the illuminated zone of the heath4.jpg (by; Alan HEATH [Nottingham,UK]) being 500 km in diameter, and now that I've applied some further math in order to best identify what a reasonably focused beam of xenon/mercury photons striking the bottom of them clouds might have in fact diffused out to that zone of perhaps at most 500 km, that is unless the source were of an even larger diameter and/or of greater divergence to start off with.

The maximum parabolic diameter that I might otherwise suggest upon is 1000 meters, although that only adds another 0.5 km to the overall end result, which is 0.1%. Thereby a larger diameter of source might only be necessary for improving the focus, of which due to the tremendous amount of divergence and/or diffusion created by them clouds makes the need as for anything in excess of a km parabolic source somewhat unnecessary, though perhaps a bit more photon delivery efficient, which would be a factor if there were a shortage of energy by which to drive such an illumination. Although, upon Venus there's any but a shortage of energy.

Because the bulk of the atmospheric suspended acid is in fact in a transparent droplet form (more spherical droplets than not) rather than crystal, as such the opacity of such a cloud barrier would not likely fall below 10%, in fact it would be just as likely that a window of 25% opacity for the 400~450 nm spectrum would exist, thus as much as 25% of those original photons will manage to illuminate through the clouds to a point where others as snookered and arrogant as far too many Earth humans might notice.

These ongoing observations of such illuminations within the Venus seasons of daytime, as well as for those noticed of their Venus season of nighttime is in fact the utmost unusual of all observed topics among all other observed planets, at least as far as this facet being most likely artificial than not. That combined with the rather obvious notations I've made for more than three years, of there being significant numbers of massive structures, including a few complex reservoirs, a modified surface feature looking very much as a sizable tarmac, but then there's also a rather substantial rigid airship parked partially into it's hanger or storage bay, with a couple of rows of spherical storage tanks recessed into the landscape (gees folks, I wounder how the hell mother nature managed to accomplish all of that?) along with creating a rational township like community, having of all things a somewhat central parabolic item of good diameter, and of that parabolic item having a central spire or tower is sort of a dead giveaway. The fact that there's clearly a nearby suspension bridge that's spanning a rather substantial canyon/rille, along with all sorts of other interesting items of a more likely artificial nature than not, all of this is apparently asking of our crack NASA moderated observers that have been opposing essentially everything under the sun, for that individual to be telling us we need to ignore absolutely all there is, including ignoring and/or skewing the laws of physics, and not to even mention our having to avoid laws of common sense.

Good grief folks; if there's another planet under observation that offers even 1% as much to work with, perhaps we should be doing something about it. As not even from all that we've obtained from Mars is worth 1% of what's been discovered about Venus, and that a fact.

If you can provide other numbers for those "ashen lights", such as their lumens, watts/m2 or photons/m2 and of the peak spectrum involved, and/or anything further upon the topic of "earthshine", or of what any good sort of xenon/mercury illumination cannon or laser might deliver, I'd be interested in including that sort of data, or at least including a link into your research.

There's also a good side topic of interplanetary quantum packets, a worth of photon modulation that'll be sure to knock your shocks off.

Oh God, not this nut.......

Brian

And your problem is?

What part about "the truth and nothing but the truth" don't you agree whth?

Have you absolutely nothing whatsoever of specific worth to contribute on behalf of humanity?

Are those "Ashen Lights" just some figment of imagination by thousands of honest astronomers?

If those "ashen lights" are simply not of an illusion, then what the heck are they?

Or, are you calling the British Astronomical Association(BAA) and of others what I think your are?

If I surched for "Brian O'Halloran", what sort of replies and/or perhaps disinformation have you been offering?

Since there's always going to be nice folks like "Brian O'Halloran" that feel they haven't been snookered nor are they the least bit dumbfounded by all there is. Perhaps that's because they already know all there is to know, at least they most often seem to be suggesting such by giving their "thumbs down" as to what I have to offer.

On the other hand, if the likes of Brian O'Halloran or others like him are obtaining terrific images of Venus, especially of the Venus season of nighttime, and would like to share those with the world, I'd certainly offer them all the support and credits they deserve, way more so than our NASA would ever accomplish.

Since the "ashen lights" are not continuous, but worth perhaps a minute or so per illumination, and of that being in the 400~450 nm spectrum, perhaps the chances of folks like Brian O'Halloran that are obviously "pro-mainstream status quo" will simply not find the time day or night as to offer humanity much of anything. If on the other hand he should manage to image one of those ashen light events, and better yet if there were a sufficiently high-speed scan and/or live spectrum recording as to detecting if there's any hidden code within, then by all means I'd suck-up to the likes Brian O'Halloran, though I'm not all that certain if he'd appreciate that, even if it meant a million dollar/euro bonus.

God, you're a touchy bugger, aren't you!

I note you're the Brad Guth who spouts all that 'there's alien civilisations on Venus' claptrap on Usenet, clogging up various fine sci.astro and sci.space newsgroups with babble. Given your rep, a good healthy dose of moderation on this group wouldn't go amiss.... For those who haven't checked out the infamous Brad before, visit www.geocities.com/bradguth

And for the record, I'm a longstanding member of the BAA - and indeed, they'd be pretty horrified to be associated with someone so obviously short of a few screws Don't bother replying to me Brad, 'cos I won't be replying to you!

Clear skies.

Brian