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On the trail of a few Palomars (July 9/10, 2010)
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14 years 4 months ago #85590
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On the trail of a few Palomars (July 9/10, 2010) was created by jeyjey
Here's the first installment of this summer's trip to Colorado:
July 9/10 NELM 7+, SQM 21.7 Foot of Boreas Pass, near Como, elevation approx 10,100 ft.
M12 1:06 MT; 10" Mewlon @ 180X
Medium-sized globular with 40 or 50 stars resolved across a milky background.
Pal 7 1:30 MT; 10" Mewlon @ 180X
Two dim field stars, the eastern-most surrounded by a difficult averted-vision haze.
Placement on sketch not quite exact; both dim field stars are to the W of its core, although the western-most one does roughly define the W edge, as sketched.
Pal 8 2:00 MT; 10" Mewlon @ 250X
Direct-vision fuzzy blob in a rich star field at 180X. 2 or 3 stars resolved. Slightly more difficult at 250X (borderline averted), but involved stars easier (2 definite, 2 further suspected).
This struck me as odd, since the V(tip) of Pal 8 is listed as 15.7, and my sketches are only going down to the mid-14s (and that's without a milky background). USNO-B1.0 lists some 15 stars within the boundary of the globular between 8.0 and 13.0 though, and I can't imagine that all of those are foreground stars -- so I think the listed V(tip) is wrong.
Pal 11 2:30 MT; 10" Mewlon
Not seen. Several suspect areas, but it's in a very rich star field and at least some of the suspects resolve into multiple dim stars. Nothing really to pick one grouping over another without a deep star-chart (which I didn't have).
Cheers,
-- Jeff
July 9/10 NELM 7+, SQM 21.7 Foot of Boreas Pass, near Como, elevation approx 10,100 ft.
M12 1:06 MT; 10" Mewlon @ 180X
Medium-sized globular with 40 or 50 stars resolved across a milky background.
Pal 7 1:30 MT; 10" Mewlon @ 180X
Two dim field stars, the eastern-most surrounded by a difficult averted-vision haze.
Placement on sketch not quite exact; both dim field stars are to the W of its core, although the western-most one does roughly define the W edge, as sketched.
Pal 8 2:00 MT; 10" Mewlon @ 250X
Direct-vision fuzzy blob in a rich star field at 180X. 2 or 3 stars resolved. Slightly more difficult at 250X (borderline averted), but involved stars easier (2 definite, 2 further suspected).
This struck me as odd, since the V(tip) of Pal 8 is listed as 15.7, and my sketches are only going down to the mid-14s (and that's without a milky background). USNO-B1.0 lists some 15 stars within the boundary of the globular between 8.0 and 13.0 though, and I can't imagine that all of those are foreground stars -- so I think the listed V(tip) is wrong.
Pal 11 2:30 MT; 10" Mewlon
Not seen. Several suspect areas, but it's in a very rich star field and at least some of the suspects resolve into multiple dim stars. Nothing really to pick one grouping over another without a deep star-chart (which I didn't have).
Cheers,
-- Jeff
Nikon 18x70s / UA Millennium Colorado:
Solarscope SF70 / TV Pronto / AP400QMD Coronado SolarMax40 DS / Bogen 055+3130
APM MC1610 / Tak FC-125 / AP1200GTO Tak Mewlon 250 / AP600EGTO
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14 years 4 months ago #85605
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Replied by lunartic_old on topic Re:On the trail of a few Palomars (July 9/10, 2010)
Nice sketches Jeff.
I've never considered looking for the Palomar globs, as I believe they would be washed out by the light pollution where I live. From your high, and clear, site, are they difficult to pick out?
Paul
I've never considered looking for the Palomar globs, as I believe they would be washed out by the light pollution where I live. From your high, and clear, site, are they difficult to pick out?
Paul
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14 years 4 months ago #85606
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Replied by jeyjey on topic Re:On the trail of a few Palomars (July 9/10, 2010)
Paul --
From Irish skies (with a 16"), I had nearly given up, having struck out on 3 or 4 of them and gotten a very difficult "maybe" on Pal 2.
But I've had much better luck in Colorado (with a 10", no less), where I've been getting maybe 60% of the easier ones. Pal 8 was surprisingly easy (certainly the only direct-vision one I've found so far), but the rest have been somewhere between easy and difficult averted-vision.
If you're going to try for them under mediocre skies, I'd suggest something on the order of a 30" Dob. With more moderate aperture, I've found the Arp peculiar galaxies (and Abell planetary nebulae to a lesser extent) to be better pickings.
Cheers,
-- Jeff.
From Irish skies (with a 16"), I had nearly given up, having struck out on 3 or 4 of them and gotten a very difficult "maybe" on Pal 2.
But I've had much better luck in Colorado (with a 10", no less), where I've been getting maybe 60% of the easier ones. Pal 8 was surprisingly easy (certainly the only direct-vision one I've found so far), but the rest have been somewhere between easy and difficult averted-vision.
If you're going to try for them under mediocre skies, I'd suggest something on the order of a 30" Dob. With more moderate aperture, I've found the Arp peculiar galaxies (and Abell planetary nebulae to a lesser extent) to be better pickings.
Cheers,
-- Jeff.
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APM MC1610 / Tak FC-125 / AP1200GTO Tak Mewlon 250 / AP600EGTO
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Replied by lunartic_old on topic Re:On the trail of a few Palomars (July 9/10, 2010)
I think with Dublin skies you would need Keck to see them.:laugh:
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