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18 years 1 week ago #37461 by darren
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great shot gary horsehead is pretty stunning good work regards Darren :lol: :lol:

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18 years 1 week ago #37519 by Seanie_Morris
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Superb shot Gary, you really got that red nebulosity going. One question though - the Flame Nebula is devoid of any other colour. I know there are some quite bright regions in it that make it an easier taget to spot than the Horsehead, yet here it appears slightly darker? Can I suggest more 'normal' light exposures to overlay the red ones? Do you think that would help brighten the detail in it? Also, some of your blue shots appear doubled with some of the stars.

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18 years 1 week ago #37540 by DaveGrennan
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One question though - the Flame Nebula is devoid of any other colour. I know there are some quite bright regions in it that make it an easier taget to spot than the Horsehead, yet here it appears slightly darker? Can I suggest more 'normal' light exposures to overlay the red ones? Do you think that would help brighten the detail in it? Also, some of your blue shots appear doubled with some of the stars.


Seanie, can I answer that one for Gary. Having been taken through a HA filter the image is effectively monochrome, but red/white instead of black and white. The only way to colorise the flame would be to take another sequence without the HA filter to capture the true colour data, but thats one for another night. What that would do is colorise the image to a normal palette, but it would not brighten features such as the flame since the HA frame would be the luminance channel which defines the brightnesses of the various features.

The blue dots are not stars they are hot pixels which dont seem to have been removed by taking darks. The reason they look double is because of slight movement between frames resulting in the hot pixels being shifted when all the images are aligned.

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18 years 1 week ago #37547 by Seanie_Morris
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Ah, more clear to me now, thanks Dave.

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18 years 1 week ago #37551 by ayiomamitis
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The blue dots are not stars they are hot pixels which dont seem to have been removed by taking darks. The reason they look double is because of slight movement between frames resulting in the hot pixels being shifted when all the images are aligned.

Dave/Seanie,

Although I agree with the above description of the problem, I disagree with the technique since it is implied that all of the luminance frames were aligned and sum-combined and then a dark subtraction was applied. This is a VERY serious mistake since the aligning destroys any correlation there was originally with the dark frames.

The proper sequence of events is to dark-subtract each of the luminance frames and then proceed with alignment and sum-combine. In this case, the problem would have disappeared immediately and it would not matter if there was a shift/drift in the FOV during the sequence or not.

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18 years 1 week ago #37557 by DaveGrennan
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Although I agree with the above description of the problem, I disagree with the technique since it is implied that all of the luminance frames were aligned and sum-combined and then a dark subtraction was applied. This is a VERY serious mistake since the aligning destroys any correlation there was originally with the dark frames.

The proper sequence of events is to dark-subtract each of the luminance frames and then proceed with alignment and sum-combine. In this case, the problem would have disappeared immediately and it would not matter if there was a shift/drift in the FOV during the sequence or not.


Anthony,

All frames were individually dark subtracted BEFORE combining. As Anthony rightly says, to do anything else would be a serious mistake, but that is not what is happening. It seems that with some DSLR's (I've seen this in mine too) that for some reason that not all hot pixels are repeatable across the light and dark frames. That is the only reason I can think of why hot pixels would appear like this even after individual dark subtraction.

If you can shed any light on why this would happen I'd certainly love to know. I have examined individual dark frames and visually confirmed that hot pixels which are on the light frames are just not there. I know cosmic ray hits can cause this but not in the same place in so many light frames.

The only other reasons I could think of was that the CCD behaves differently when it is exposed to light (while taking light frames) rather than in darkness (while dark frames are gathered).

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