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15 years 4 months ago #80616
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Bang on Beacon and you identify precisely where and how I deviated from the core point. My last but one post did indeed stray into confusing frequency space with what does it take to sample what represents a point in an image.
Your clarification is correct.
There is considerable confusion as to what the criteria really are and why. I for one (and I think Dave too) would rather have a sound explanation on a logical basis rather than a rule of thumb.
Magic numbers like 3 and 3.3 have no explained basis (that I can find). We may now be able to justify the 3.
Again if you base a decision on Anthony's advice you wont go far wrong.
I'm glad your post did spark of a good discussion.
Mark
Your clarification is correct.
There is considerable confusion as to what the criteria really are and why. I for one (and I think Dave too) would rather have a sound explanation on a logical basis rather than a rule of thumb.
Magic numbers like 3 and 3.3 have no explained basis (that I can find). We may now be able to justify the 3.
Again if you base a decision on Anthony's advice you wont go far wrong.
I'm glad your post did spark of a good discussion.
Mark
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15 years 4 months ago #80641
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I asked the CCD-tech community about this and one of the contributors to that forum sent me the link below. I haven't studied it in detail yet but it seems to answer a lot of our questions, clarify some points and correct some of my own errors. One great thing about the piece is that Stan backs it up with data.
www.stanmooreastro.com/pixel_size.htm
Dave
www.stanmooreastro.com/pixel_size.htm
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15 years 4 months ago #80655
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Hi Dave,
Half way through reading that piece I was beginning to regret starting it......but kept at it and in fact saved it now because I know I will read it again - and perhaps understand it better some day. But more to the point - bottom line is indeed the bottom line and a very important piece of information for me. (Thus a pixel size of 0.5 to 1.5 arcsec can be considered ideal for optimizing resolution.)
Anthony indeed had a good handle on this with his present 0.58"/pixel.....hope he is not disappointed at 0.38"/pixel.
Thanks everyone - this has been an 'eye opener'.
Brendan.
Half way through reading that piece I was beginning to regret starting it......but kept at it and in fact saved it now because I know I will read it again - and perhaps understand it better some day. But more to the point - bottom line is indeed the bottom line and a very important piece of information for me. (Thus a pixel size of 0.5 to 1.5 arcsec can be considered ideal for optimizing resolution.)
Anthony indeed had a good handle on this with his present 0.58"/pixel.....hope he is not disappointed at 0.38"/pixel.
Thanks everyone - this has been an 'eye opener'.
Brendan.
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15 years 4 months ago #80656
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Replied by ayiomamitis on topic Re:Undersampling - Oversampling
Brendan,
Thank you as well for starting this thread since such discussions are always welcome and educational for everyone involved. Personally, I now see where the "3.3x" comes from and thanks to the diagonal of the (square) pixel.
I am sure at 0.38"/pixel I will be fine since I do have the generally good seeing to pursue such an aggressive image scale. At the same time, I will be able to go even lower for solar system work and around the 0.10-0.12"/pixel which is the de facto norm for such work.
Anthony.
Thank you as well for starting this thread since such discussions are always welcome and educational for everyone involved. Personally, I now see where the "3.3x" comes from and thanks to the diagonal of the (square) pixel.
I am sure at 0.38"/pixel I will be fine since I do have the generally good seeing to pursue such an aggressive image scale. At the same time, I will be able to go even lower for solar system work and around the 0.10-0.12"/pixel which is the de facto norm for such work.
Anthony.
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15 years 4 months ago #80658
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Indeed Brendan - I think we all learned from your post! I guess that's what the forum is for
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15 years 4 months ago #80662
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It's been a great thread - thanks to all - thanks Dave for the reference from CDTech communinty - will read that with glee.
Anthony - I'm not as convinced as I was about the importance of the diagonal and the 2.8 rounding to often cited 3 as a result of the diagonal might just be coincidental. More to learn...
I still have questions and thoughts but I think time spent sourcing some good references are in order for me.
Mark
Anthony - I'm not as convinced as I was about the importance of the diagonal and the 2.8 rounding to often cited 3 as a result of the diagonal might just be coincidental. More to learn...
I still have questions and thoughts but I think time spent sourcing some good references are in order for me.
Mark
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